tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post784707422454032620..comments2024-02-14T11:00:03.180-05:00Comments on Tom McLaughlin: Covering Up The KillingTom McLaughlinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07691546351143209227noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-638229207140687962016-11-08T15:59:29.461-05:002016-11-08T15:59:29.461-05:00Hillary will not only pander 100% to Planned Paren...Hillary will not only pander 100% to Planned Parenthood Federation Of America, now that she's poster girl of Emily's List, she will also commit herself to repealing the Hyde Ammendment, so federal dollars will flow easily into their coffers and Medicaid will force taxpayer $$$ to pay for Surgical Abortions as well.Stopp Planned Parenthood of Southern New England Representativenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-68355672057964212692016-11-05T23:50:32.818-04:002016-11-05T23:50:32.818-04:00To Anonymous: What you don't comprehend, is th...To Anonymous: What you don't comprehend, is that the verses you quote are all in the Old Testament. Since that time, Jesus has come to us, and we are no longer bound by Old Testament Law. Jesus brought the Way, the Truth and the Light. He bought, and paid for the New Testament with His precious Blood, which He spilled, and gave freely to all men, the forgiveness of all of their sins. May the scales of your blindness be removed, and may you see, spiritually, from this day forward, the Truth. rhondajohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13451240040862651653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-26927172660091909622016-10-30T21:13:21.804-04:002016-10-30T21:13:21.804-04:00God has ordered the killings of plenty of babies. ...God has ordered the killings of plenty of babies. One of the most beloved biblical stories that is told to children is the killing of every baby on earth. When I was a kid, I always pictured a woman in a tree holding a 1 month old baby over her head screaming to Noah, "Please save my baby," and Noah just spitting in her face.<br /><br />scenarionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-3188355665934548162016-10-28T15:40:42.319-04:002016-10-28T15:40:42.319-04:00As the old saying goes, where there's smoke th...As the old saying goes, where there's smoke there's fire. The fact that the PP video people were indicted means that more than likely something was there. Other credible people have looked at the evidence and came to the same conclusion, the recordings were faked. There is just way to much evidence that the recordings were faked to take them seriously. <br /><br />I understand why someone would be against abortion. But I feel that the fact that the anti abortion people have been repeatedly caught in bald faced lies like the PP recordings tends to damage their credibility. <br /><br />When organ transplants first came out, many conservatives felt the same way about transplanting a human heart that some conservatives now feel about external fertilization. <br /><br />I am actually in agreement when it comes to human cloning. Cloning mammals is in the experiment stage. I don't believe that it is any where near the stage where we should even consider cloning a human. Maybe in twenty or thirty years, maybe. But not now. Cloning tissue or organs I have no problem with. Cloning an entire human is ethically wrong now and something that we have to have serious discussions with before it should be allowed, if ever. <br /><br />Let's change the question. It's not a fire. You are in a car carrying medicine. There is a fast moving disease that will kill anyone under the age of 6, including embryos in the womb, but have no effect on anyone older,. There are two outbreaks at opposite ends of the city. <br /><br />Outbreak one is a 5 year old child.<br /><br />Outbreak two are twenty five women pregnant for less than a month. <br /><br />You can choose to save either the five year old child and let the twenty five woman have a natural miscarriage because the 25 embryos will die or<br /><br />You can choose to save the 25 pregnant women's embryos and let the 5 year old child die.<br /><br />You cannot save both groups.<br /><br />Which do you choose?scenarionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-47367605749721699142016-10-28T15:22:45.153-04:002016-10-28T15:22:45.153-04:00More of the same "no gray area" talking ...More of the same "no gray area" talking points from Tom, but what do you know, he once again avoids the tough question asked directly of him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-20973330128725252652016-10-28T15:08:32.301-04:002016-10-28T15:08:32.301-04:00Human life begins at conception. That's when a...Human life begins at conception. That's when a human being -- with its own DNA -- is created. Eggs have the DNA of the mother. Sperm has the DNA of the father. The baby has its own because it's a separate and distinct person.<br /><br />It's morally wrong for doctors and lab technicians create embryos artificially in the opinion of many, myself included. Lately they're doing so with three "parents." They're also very likely cloning human embryos. Maybe there are human clones among us, I don't know. It's possible. Some are experimenting with human/animal crosses. The law has not weighed in on these practices, but I wish it would.Tom McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07691546351143209227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-14212104059379408402016-10-28T14:59:48.297-04:002016-10-28T14:59:48.297-04:00You're correct, Scenario, the Republican Lt. G...You're correct, Scenario, the Republican Lt. Governor Patrick was involved in the initial stages last January. He did not indict, however, as that is not in his power. But he did ask for an investigation by the Houston District Attorney -- a pro-abortion woman named Devon Anderson -- whose job it was do put evidence before the grand jury which can indict. Patrick expected an indictment of Planned Parenthood, but Anderson seems instead to have covered up for that organization.<br /><br />We cannot know what evidence Anderson presented before the grand jury because that is forever confidential. I did write about the investigation last February here: http://tommclaughlin.blogspot.com/search?q=Devon+anderson and I talked about it on my TV show as well and there's a clip at the bottom of that article. As one judge put it: the DA can convince a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.<br /><br />Anderson has previously led a grand jury investigation into abortionist Dr. Douglas Karpen after three women working at his abortion clinic testified they saw him twist the heads off babies born alive. Karpen was at least as bad as Dr. Kermit Gosnell in Philadelphia who is now serving a life term for similar practices. Somehow, Anderson convinced the grand jury not to indict Karpen either.<br /><br />The filmmaker, Daleiden, was indicted for using a fake ID. Those charges were dropped just this month.Tom McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07691546351143209227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-27697334080908377712016-10-28T11:42:36.982-04:002016-10-28T11:42:36.982-04:00Ah yes, the new conservative conspiracy fetish rai...Ah yes, the new conservative conspiracy fetish raises its head again. <br /><br />The person who created the planned parenthood video was indicted by the Republican Lt. governor of the State of Texas on criminal charges related to the video. The video's are fraudulent. This is not just the belief of a bunch of liberals, its the belief of the Conservative Republican Lt Governor of one of the most conservative states. No attorney general is going to file charges on a whim against someone who is a hero for their party. <br /><br />http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/266958-creator-of-planned-parenthood-videos-indicted-in-texas<br /><br />"A grand jury in Houston, Texas announced criminal charges against a pair of anti-abortion activists, David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt, for their roles in creating now-viral videos attacking Planned Parenthood, according to multiple local reports.<br /><br />The jurors had spent two months reviewing undercover footage produced by Daleiden’s group, the Center for Medical Progress, at the request of Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R)."<br /><br />Someone who still believes in the PP tapes is like someone who still believes that martians invaded the earth in 1938 because their grandparents told them about the Orson Wells broadcast on the radio. Its old news that was disproved years ago.<br />scenarionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-31111979499552282512016-10-28T11:01:00.496-04:002016-10-28T11:01:00.496-04:00My my...as i read above I see how conservatives ha...My my...as i read above I see how conservatives have been busy using lies and spin, and avoiding answering questions that go deeper than a shrill "AHHH...MURDER!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-5226576040919212422016-10-28T10:39:00.464-04:002016-10-28T10:39:00.464-04:00My my...as I read above I see how liberals have be...My my...as I read above I see how liberals have been busy covering up the lies & the killing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-11128089022276090232016-10-27T23:59:05.306-04:002016-10-27T23:59:05.306-04:00I'm sure that Tom is not the only conservative...I'm sure that Tom is not the only conservatives here. I've lived in New England for my whole life and I have found that many of the conservatives here are more old school conservatives rather than the newer tea bag/alt right/religious right types. Old style conservatives didn't make a fetish out of denying reality. <br /><br />Old school conservatives are more like, "Yes there is a problem but we can't drive ourselves to bankruptcy to solve it." New school conservatives are more, "There is no problem. Only liberals say there is a problem." And when the problem turns around and bites them, they say,"We've wanted to solve this problem for years but the liberals wouldn't let us." And the followers nod their heads and ignore all of the books and papers and web pages and videos that prove than the conservatives had a totally different opinion just a few years ago. <br /><br />"We're at war with Oceania. We have always been at war with Oceania." scenarionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-91951162669868938872016-10-27T21:06:39.391-04:002016-10-27T21:06:39.391-04:00Tom is not known for trying to answer tough questi...Tom is not known for trying to answer tough questions involving gray areas. I could list dozens of unanswered questions just over his last 5 posts. When he feels cornered he tends to hide. But I'm thinking if he is called out enough he might eventually step out of his comfort zone and give it a wack. This may be one he feels he can handle. Tom....?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-5835643974058455912016-10-27T19:03:43.556-04:002016-10-27T19:03:43.556-04:00I really would like to see a conservative answer t...I really would like to see a conservative answer the question above. If you are in a position where you can save either a 5 year old child or 10 frozen embryos and you cannot save both which would you save?<br /><br />In my experience, this type of question is rarely answered by conservatives. Many if not most conservatives live in a very either/or, black and white world. There is no grey area. If someone tries to point out the grey area, they are dismissed as liberals and the question is ignored. That is really a problem in the real world.scenarionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-71696306337116526672016-10-27T17:37:26.701-04:002016-10-27T17:37:26.701-04:00Suppose a building were on fire, and you could sav...Suppose a building were on fire, and you could save either a five-year-old child or ten frozen embryos. Which would you pick?<br /><br />How could you pick the child if the embryos are also "babies"?<br /><br />And why do anti-abortionists focus on the horror of a late-term abortion? Did you ever wonder why they don’t focus instead on a woman swallowing a Plan B (emergency contraceptive) pill? Or a drug-induced abortion (the most common procedure for first-trimester abortions)? If way more "babies" are being "murdered" early on, why not focus on that? <br /><br />There is certainly a spectrum from a single cell (not a person) to a newborn baby (a person). Consider a continuous spectrum from blue to green. Where’s the dividing line? Where does blue end and green begin? We can argue about this, but we agree that blue is not green. The two ends are very different.<br /><br />What age is the dividing line between child and adult? Twelve years? Eighteen? Twenty-one? It’s a spectrum, and there is no objectively correct line. Again, the line is debatable but no one doubts that a child and an adult are quite different.<br />An acorn is not a tree, a silkworm is not a dress, a water molecule is not a whirlpool, a piece of hay is not a haystack, and 20 chicken eggs are not a henhouse of chickens. Similarly, a single fertilized human egg cell is NOT a baby. <br /><br />If eager expectant parents want to use the term “baby,” not a problem. It’s when pro-lifers want to impose that term on others to constrain their rights that we have a problem.<br /><br />Now, back to a common pro-life argument: (1) human life begins at conception; (2) it is murder to take a human life; therefore (3) abortion is murder and should be considered immoral. This argument fails because it is oblivious to the spectrum.<br />Pro-lifers claim to be celebrating life, but equating a newborn baby with a single cell and demanding that everyone else be bound by their beliefs doesn’t celebrate life, it denigrates it.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-69486920021122631092016-10-27T15:33:28.130-04:002016-10-27T15:33:28.130-04:00So you agree with Webster that it is not human unt...So you agree with Webster that it is not human until after 2 months, and that it is still a fetus until birth. Good.<br /><br />As for surviving "on their own", until about 6 months they can't survive without their mother. Period. Once born, they could survive without the mother because they could be taken care of by others.<br /><br />Your saying it is wrong to remove the cells from her body that has the potential, with her help, to become human, does not make it wrong. it is your opinion. And that is a fact. I know you have trouble comprehending facts from strongly felt opinions.<br /><br />You say all law derives from Judeo-Christian morality. That also is an opinion, but here is another fact......US law says abortion is legal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-84323458131867035202016-10-27T13:35:22.120-04:002016-10-27T13:35:22.120-04:00Abortion is a difficult topic because it is purely...Abortion is a difficult topic because it is purely an ethical argument. When is there a new human being? Some religious people say that it is when there is a soul. But there is no way to measure it. <br /><br />Some hunter/gatherer tribes believed that human life came at the first birthday. Before the first birthday, babies did not have a soul so they were not human.<br /><br />The most common view is that birth is the dividing line. This is the viewpoint of the bible.<br /><br />There are newer cut off points such as viability of the fetus or when the embryo develops a nervous system.<br /><br />Many religious groups have chosen the moment of conception.<br /><br />Other groups believe than sperm and eggs are humans. As Monty Python says, "Every sperm is sacred." <br /><br />Different moral values place the line at different points. The only point that is indisputable is birth. Once the baby is born it is an independent being. <br /><br />In the end the question becomes, should laws be based strictly on moral values without any secular basis? <br /><br />I don't have any problem with many conservatives moral belief that abortion is wrong. I do have a problem with the incessant lying about it and with the idea that it is okay to force your particular moral beliefs on everyone. <br /><br />One example, when my father was growing up it was a common belief where he grew up that being left handed was a sign of evil. This was quite common back in the 1930's in rural areas. If the majority of people in a state believe that being left handed is immoral, is it okay to make it illegal? Should the moral values of the people in the area be encoded into law when there is no valid secular reason to back them up? scenarionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-57467280359366359902016-10-27T13:20:45.188-04:002016-10-27T13:20:45.188-04:00Words have meaning, yes. So Webster calls it "...Words have meaning, yes. So Webster calls it "a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth."<br /><br />A developing human is a human. As someone who conceived and raised four humans, I can tell you they're still developing for many years after birth. As with the pre-born, they could not survive on their own without constant care in the early years and gradually declining levels of care for many years thereafter.<br /><br />That a pregnant woman finds its residence in her body inconvenient and unintended does not make it any less human, or to kill it any less wrong.<br /><br />Scenario considesr religion immoral. However, all law is based on prevailing morality, which in the case of US law derives from Judeo-Christian morality. So is all of western civilization derived from it. You may not like that, but it is no less so for your dislike. It's the sea in which you are swimming.Tom McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07691546351143209227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-43703231689383387042016-10-27T13:06:57.631-04:002016-10-27T13:06:57.631-04:00"Yes, and the woman had control, and gave per..."Yes, and the woman had control, and gave permission for sex, which she knew could result in the creation of another human being."<br /><br />This is obviously not always the case.<br /><br /><br />"You call it a fetus, Tammy. I call it a baby"<br /><br />Call it what you want, but words have meanings. Webster's definition of fetus: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth.<br /><br /><br />So many abortions are not even a fetus, let alone a baby. They are a part of the mother's body , a bunch of cells that can't survive on it's own. They have no legal right so Planned Parenthood does not need their permission. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-82363626413933049662016-10-27T12:35:45.032-04:002016-10-27T12:35:45.032-04:00The concept of consent is not particularly importa...The concept of consent is not particularly important to many conservatives. When people discovered that Josh Duggar had molested several much younger sisters the reaction of many conservatives was that 15 year old (at the time) Josh shouldn't be punished for committing a felony, he was just curious. The rights of the boy were much more important than the rights of the girls. <br /><br />Whenever a topic concerning consent comes up, conservatives come out of the wood works to deny that women have any right to say no. <br /><br />What is morality depends to some extent on the individual. I do not consider abortion to be immoral. I do consider religion immoral. Do I believe that religion should be banned? No. I do not think that my personal morality should be enforced on other people. <br /><br />Abortion is one of the subjects that is totally based on a persons particular moral outlook. I look at an embryo in the first couple of months of pregnancy as a bunch of cells that have the potential to become a baby if everything works out right. Others look at them as a baby. <br /><br />My concern is that to many anti abortion people it is perfectly okay to repeatedly lie in order to make abortion illegal. What happened to Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness? Why is it okay for religious people to repeatedly lie in order to push their political position? Do conservatives really understand the concept of lying? Just because you really, really want something to be true,doesn't make it true. <br />scenarionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-2006124744377030092016-10-27T11:50:21.451-04:002016-10-27T11:50:21.451-04:00"Bodily autonomy means a person has control o..."Bodily autonomy means a person has control over who or what uses their body..." writes Tammy.<br /><br />Interesting that Hillary said: "the unborn person doesn’t have constitutional rights.” She didn't say fetus. A Freudian slip, no doubt, a random utterance of truth from a woman not well acquainted with it.<br /><br />"A fetus is using someone’s body parts. Therefore under bodily autonomy, it is there by permission, not by right. It needs a persons continuous consent," writes Tammy.<br /><br />Planned Parenthood uses a baby's body parts without its permission. As with a dead person, (which the baby become after Planned Parenthood and its mother have their way with it), the baby is unable to grant permission for its body parts to be sold for profit by PP and its affiliates.<br /><br />"Bodily autonomy means a person has control over who or what uses their body, for what, and for how long," writes Tammy.<br /><br />Yes, and the woman had control, and gave permission for sex, which she knew could result in the creation of another human being. She has no moral right to then kill it. She has the legal right after Roe V Wade, but that's tenuous in today's political climate.<br /><br />Yes, some women will have abortions if Roe is repealed, but that doesn't make what they do morally right. They can also bring it to termed and put it up for adoption. Inconvenient maybe, but better than killing it. Democrats want to make the rest of us pay for abortions we know are morally wrong.<br /><br />You call it a fetus, Tammy. I call it a baby. "I'm having a fetus!" said no mother ever. A pregnant woman is "with child," not "with fetus." A pregnant woman has another person with its own DNA and its own heart in her body, and she consented to the act from which it resulted.Tom McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07691546351143209227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-55401293928513688532016-10-27T10:45:47.123-04:002016-10-27T10:45:47.123-04:00Bodily autonomy means a person has control over wh...Bodily autonomy means a person has control over who or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. Its why you can't be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead. Even if you’d save or improve 20 lives. It’s why someone can’t touch you, have sex with you, or use your body in any way without your continuous consent.<br /><br />A fetus is using someone’s body parts. Therefore under bodily autonomy, it is there by permission, not by right. It needs a persons continuous consent. If they deny and withdraw their consent, the pregnant person has the right to remove them from that moment. A fetus is equal in this regard because if I need someone else’s body parts to live, they can also legally deny me their use.<br />By saying a fetus has a right to someone’s body parts until it’s born, despite the pregnant person’s wishes, you are doing two things.<br /><br />1. Granting a fetus more rights to other people’s bodies than any born person.<br />2. Awarding a pregnant person less rights to their body than a corpse.<br /><br />Making abortions illegal is not going to stop women from having abortions. It is only going to force women to do what they did before abortions were legal. DIY abortions with coat-hangers, poisons, throwing yourself down the stairs or going to back alley abortions where they will either kill the woman or make her sterile. So the choice is up to you, do you want your wife, mother, sister, aunt, cousin, girlfriend to have an abortion in a safe, sterile environment or do you want her to decide between DIY or back alley abortions? The choice is yours, but abortions are going to happen either way.Tammy Stahleckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-47241120022598889162016-10-27T00:11:25.958-04:002016-10-27T00:11:25.958-04:00I really don't get the idea of liberal facts. ...I really don't get the idea of liberal facts. Opinions can be liberal, conservative or many other things. But facts cannot be liberal or conservative. Let's say that Trump says that he never said something or other. Someone looks it up and finds five different youtube video's of him saying exactly what he said he never said. They post a link to the entire video and tell you the exact time to look. You can listen to the entire video to be sure that the comment was not taken out of context. <br /><br />Now the website may be run by liberals but the youtube video is not in of itself liberal. It is evidence that Trump lied. <br /><br />I also don't understand liberal science. If someone uses tools like rulers and thermometers and scales, how can they tell if they are liberal or conservative rulers or thermometers or scales? If twenty different groups of scientists in different countries run the same experiment and they all come up with the same result that conservatives do not like, they are not liberal scientists, just scientists. It is also very unlikely to be a massive conspiracy of hundreds of scientists. It is just a fact. You can argue with opinions. But you can't argue with well established facts. scenarionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-58609607046861164032016-10-26T20:04:23.106-04:002016-10-26T20:04:23.106-04:00Only Americans can be so absorbed in themselves th...Only Americans can be so absorbed in themselves that they cannot realize the horror of their foreign policy in other nations, that rips the lives out of everyone both prenatal or post.<br /><br />We came we saw they died lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-83736658068424782932016-10-26T19:52:37.152-04:002016-10-26T19:52:37.152-04:00I can see why you think their is a left leaning bi...I can see why you think their is a left leaning bias in the media if you really believe that the press was not fair about exposing Fionna and her spin on the edited Planned Parenthood tapes. TO the real world, that is good, straightforward, honest reporting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-46964890862876162232016-10-26T15:07:53.856-04:002016-10-26T15:07:53.856-04:00Yes, I DID say why I hate abortion. Because it ca...Yes, I DID say why I hate abortion. Because it causes agonizing and painful choices, and it is a horrible experience for people that go through with it due to rape/incest. Those are reasons, I can't help it if you don't like them.<br /><br />The "limited and extreme" cases I mention are matched by the "limited and extreme" cases fear mongers like Trump bring up about 9th month abortions. Briannoreply@blogger.com