tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post5661616747503504638..comments2024-02-14T11:00:03.180-05:00Comments on Tom McLaughlin: "Disappearing" Tommy RobinsonTom McLaughlinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07691546351143209227noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-74222326469453559472018-06-12T19:54:28.438-04:002018-06-12T19:54:28.438-04:00Great site for some real non corporate mainstream ...Great site for some real non corporate mainstream perspective. Run by real patriots and war veterans <br /><br />https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/06/12/israeli-stooge-incites-moronic-far-right-scum-stirs-up-anti-muslim-hatred/<br /><br />Editor’s note: Tommy Robinson, or to use his real name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, is an utter scumbag, a piece of faecal matter in human form, a traitor to Britain who should be thrown in a cell to rot for the rest of his natural life.<br /><br />Yaxley-Lennon is a Jew working for Israel to destabilise British society by stirring up the moronic far-right fringe of the white population, playing on their latent racism and xenophobia. His particular target is the Muslim population of Britain, he incites violence against innocent Muslim citizens and spreads the most foul and untruthful hate propaganda against them.<br /><br />This is a man who uses a pseudonym that refers to the nickname of the WW1 British soldier in an attempt to appeal to the patriotism of the knuckledragging, inbred white scum that form his support base.<br /><br />In reality, he is a Jewish thug, crook and swindler, a man convicted of appalling violence against women on more than one occasion and with further convictions for a variety of other offences including large scale fraud in partnership with a female member of the Rothschild family.<br /><br />It makes my blood boil that he has been able to fool so many of the low-IQ, ignorant, bigotted morons that I sadly have to admit are my fellow countrymen. The utter failure of the British media to expose the truth about this shitbag says a lot about where their loyalties lie. Ian]<br /><br />Jasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-79008793136665804212018-06-05T12:01:44.535-04:002018-06-05T12:01:44.535-04:00Tom is an ignorant islamophobic hypocrite. That i...Tom is an ignorant islamophobic hypocrite. That is what his detractors are pointing out. ISIS recently bombed a convention of Moslem clerics in Afghanistan. ISIS does not represent ordinary Moslems and the vast majority in the Islamic world have denounced them over and over. Everything Tom knows about Islam he learned from reading "Jihad Watch" and slumming around with fear-mongering sociopaths like Pamela Geller.Captain Obviousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-41856019936442382952018-06-04T09:36:27.620-04:002018-06-04T09:36:27.620-04:00"No hyperbole? Just rational facts"?
I&..."No hyperbole? Just rational facts"? <br />I'm not convinced.<br /><br />I'll dispense with generating my own cheering section, and admiration justification follow up. CaptDMOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-71441262689538425782018-06-04T07:31:17.417-04:002018-06-04T07:31:17.417-04:00No need to twist things before letting it go thoug...No need to twist things before letting it go though...nobody said that radical Christians were worse.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-56255084552698355312018-06-03T22:50:32.136-04:002018-06-03T22:50:32.136-04:00OK guys, you win. Tom's article concerns the ...OK guys, you win. Tom's article concerns the British government clampdown on Tommy Robinson, who exposes their negligence in protecting British citizens from crimes committed by Muslims. Your contribution to the discussion is, in a nutshell, Christians and far-righters in the US are worse. So if Tom were to comment on say, ISIS beheading and enslaving people, you will respond that Christians and far-righters in the US are worse. Or if Tom's column concerns how non-Muslims in sharia-controlled countries are treated as 2nd-class citizens, that Christians and far-righters in the US are worse. Or Islamic law permits throwing gay people off the tops of tall buildings . . . but I get it. Very fun, and now I agree with Fred, let's let it go.<br />Montedoro44https://www.blogger.com/profile/07449736136474398650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-35877767861863449922018-06-03T18:19:15.344-04:002018-06-03T18:19:15.344-04:00Thank you Fred.
I am clearly a liberal and athei...Thank you Fred. <br /><br />I am clearly a liberal and atheist. But my complaints aren't against the run of the mill conservative or typical religious person, they are against the extremes. I tend to go after the far right in the U.S. because they outnumber the far left in the U.S. by a wide margin and they are currently in power. <br /><br />The people most likely to use personal attacks, and hyperbole are people on the extreme right and left because they frequently have beliefs that are not backed by any evidence and are well out of the mainstream. If a far right person stands up and publicly says that it is moral to kill all the gay people, it is difficult to morally defend the statement with facts. So what believers do is flood the conversation screaming that their religious liberty is being stepped on. If they scream loud enough and long enough people tend to forget what the conversation was about. <br /><br />Scenario<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-54529065039166671972018-06-03T17:07:17.869-04:002018-06-03T17:07:17.869-04:00If only I could speak my mind the way scenario doe...If only I could speak my mind the way scenario does. If only we all could. No personal attacks, no hyperbole, just rational facts. Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-32120838848183839012018-06-03T16:26:53.789-04:002018-06-03T16:26:53.789-04:00According to the post above the government covered...According to the post above the government covered up illegal activity by religious people. That happens every day in the U.S. except that the government is covering up for illegal activity by Christians rather than Muslims. <br /><br />I just don't understand why it is worse because the particular religion in this case is Muslims rather than Christians. <br /><br />I see people in America elected to high office who openly say that everyone in the U.S. should be forced to be Christians. They say that the reason for all the problems in the U.S. are because we haven't been forcing all of the Jewish, Muslim, atheist and all other non Christian children to pray to Jesus every morning in school. <br /><br />I am appalled by the rampant sexual abuse reported here. I just don't believe that organized sexual abuse by Muslims being covered up by the government is any worse than the organized sexual abuse by Christians being covered up by local governments all over the U.S. <br /><br />Look at the Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal. There are solid records that show that this type of behavior has been going on for over a thousand years within the Catholic church. The church is still protecting people who sexually abused children to this day. <br /><br />The behavior you have reported can be seen in many, many fundamentalist Christian churches around the world. I'm not saying that the behavior is good. I am saying that the behavior is bad whether or not it is Muslim or Christian. This type of behavior in Christians is ignored and covered up by the same people who are openly and loudly appalled when they see it in Muslims. <br /><br />The U.S. is gradually succumbing to an imperialist supremacist totalitarian ideology as well. The U.S. version is run by Christians who want to make the U.S. a theocratic dictatorship with religion replacing science in school. Where everyone has a choice of converting to an approved Christian sect or getting the hell out of the country. If you read what people like Betsy Devos or Mike Pence have said and it is clear they are working to make the U.S. a theocratic nation much like Saudi Arabia except that the religion is Christianity.<br /><br />ScenarioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-23026528568944359122018-06-02T23:30:49.012-04:002018-06-02T23:30:49.012-04:00Religion and sexual assault are closely related. T...Religion and sexual assault are closely related. The number one warning warning sign that there might be sexual abuse in a family is if there is substance abuse in the family. The number two warning sign is that the family is very religious. <br /><br />Google the words "Youth Pastor arrested" and you will get tens of thousands of cases. Now in many of these cases, the reason is that a criminal chose the profession because it gave them access to victims.<br /><br />But in many other cases, it is because religions like Christianity and Islam preach that women are second class people put on the Earth to serve men. There is no commandment Thou shalt not rape. The punishment in the bible is a small fine, if they don't stone both of them to death for adultery. <br /><br />I'm not surprised if the incident of sexual abuse goes up in an area where a lot of fundamentalist followers of Islam live. The same thing happens in areas where fundamentalist followers of Christianity live. <br /><br />The problem is not Islam. The problem is fundamentalism of any kind.<br /><br />ScenarioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-28319439006113720432018-06-02T12:46:18.726-04:002018-06-02T12:46:18.726-04:00I guess I subconciously left out the goofy use of ...I guess I subconciously left out the goofy use of the word "nazism"<br /><br />As you should have.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-51693034150997217812018-06-02T12:44:43.268-04:002018-06-02T12:44:43.268-04:00Christianity is just another religion, like is jus...Christianity is just another religion, like is just another political philosophy.<br /><br />As much as I think that the world would be better with no religions, that statement is stupid (and not cute) either way.<br /><br />We know we disagree with each other, so maybe it is just best to leave it at that. The Anti-Muslim Right-Wing propaganda machine is doing a fantastic job. Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-64059471997050025832018-06-02T09:24:07.509-04:002018-06-02T09:24:07.509-04:00Fred, again -- it doesn't matter what we think...Fred, again -- it doesn't matter what <i>we</i> think about the true meaning of Koran verses, hadiths, sayings and behaviors of Mohammed; what matters is how Muslims behave, being motivated by all of these original sources and consequent scholarship.<br /><br />Your "hot dogs or soda." figure is cute, but not an argument. I could respond "hot dogs or cyanide" etc., but here is an apter, non-metaphorical comparison:<br /><br /><i>Islam is just another religion, like Nazism is just another political philosophy.</i><br /><br />Of course this is an uncomfortable comparison, but if you study the sources and commentaries by Muslim spiritual leaders and scholars, you will find much to confirm it, even going so far as open statements of admiration for the 3rd Reich, and you will be able to explain past and current behaviors that we in the West find repugnant -- not only the prescribed treatment of infidels, but accepted & obligatory behaviors within the ummah, like honor killings, death sentence for apostasy, stoning for various infractions, amputations, child marriage, FGM, etc.<br /><br />It is this larger picture that Tommy Robinson and others are drawing attention to, how the tenets of Islam are affecting the West due to increasing population shift and acquiescence, in part due to hot dogs v. soda mentality.<br /><br />Check out this article at Gatestone Institute:<br /><br />https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12428/british-justice-poppycock<br /><br />Your browser might have a "reader view" that will zap all the advertising.<br />Montedoro44https://www.blogger.com/profile/07449736136474398650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-12488386309825352142018-06-01T08:13:18.200-04:002018-06-01T08:13:18.200-04:00I have yet to see any evidence of rape having divi...I have yet to see any evidence of rape having divine sanction from the Koran. You cite a Koran passage claiming it has "implications", the same as I did with the Bible. Ad it can be just as easily argued that Christians not following literally all the horrendous passages of the Bible are not true Christians. The bible also condones the killing of non-believers, as in Deuteronomy 17 for one.<br /><br />You say that the Catholic priests eventually get found out and removed. C'mon now, you know that this rape culture in the church was known at high levels and NOTHING was done about it other than to move priests around to rape some fresh children. Some would say that the protection these Priests received from the church was divine sanction. It took massive evidence and a ridiculous amount of rape before the church was forced to act.<br /><br />Trying to claim that only Muslims do terrible things in the name of their religion is ludicrous. Christians murder doctors who perform abortions, commit awful hate crimes, acts of terror, etc, and often claim they were acting in the name of God. <br /><br />But it seems we may agree that all religions are bad, so maybe we are not so far apart in the grand scheme of things. Arguing that one is worse than the other seems to be like arguing over what is worse for your heart, hot dogs or soda. Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-85940721099045675712018-05-31T19:48:40.692-04:002018-05-31T19:48:40.692-04:00I agree (with the anon that Tom hypocritically cho...I agree (with the anon that Tom hypocritically chose not to delete)! Like I do about all religions. So let's be fair:<br /><br />“Faith: the purposeful suspension of critical thinking,” - MaherFrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-58851270866562484912018-05-31T17:46:54.938-04:002018-05-31T17:46:54.938-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-66626813304874007112018-05-31T15:20:33.462-04:002018-05-31T15:20:33.462-04:00Islamophobia is like racism not because Islam is a...Islamophobia is like racism not because Islam is a race, but because, for the Islamophobe, “Islam” plays the same role “race” did for racists. It’s all about broad, sweeping, malicious judgments. Has any other demographic had to suffer the indignity of being declared insufficiently loyal to be President, or hear proposals to be banned from the country? When Trump and Cruz argue over who will impose more war crimes, do you think they mean to waterboard Dylann Storm Roof, or kill his family members?<br /><br />When we continue to conflate mainstream Islam with radicals, vastly exaggerating the threat we face, we make it harder to make good choices. All of the things our global peers are preparing for–climate change, for example—go by the wayside. While it might be important to tackle income inequality, crumbling infrastructure, student debt, childhood poverty, systemic and structural racism, the idea that our greatest threat is Islamic extremism, and that Muslims everywhere are all potential or possible terrorists, makes it harder to address these problems. Though Trump now questions the Iraq war, he continues to indulge in the kind of language that enabled the Iraq war.<br /><br />Time Magazinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-37369294209494306102018-05-31T15:02:39.877-04:002018-05-31T15:02:39.877-04:00In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's...In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]<br /><br />Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.[1]<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Islamic_lawFrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-42412563964359790472018-05-31T14:51:09.354-04:002018-05-31T14:51:09.354-04:00Well Monty, that video didn't seem to condone ...Well Monty, that video didn't seem to condone the raping of children. Certainly not more than:<br /><br />"But all the female children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” from the Bible.<br /><br /><br />Face it, both the Koran and the Bible are ridiculous. If you took all the horrid violence from the Old Testament and used it to claim Christianity condones these things, would that be ok? <br /><br />"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again." <br />Exodus 21: 7-8<br /><br />So the bible condones selling your daughter as a slave?<br /><br />I could go on and on about what the Bible condones, but this is silly.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-54112080318639119592018-05-31T13:26:18.030-04:002018-05-31T13:26:18.030-04:00X-post, Fred. Your insulting tone to Tom now make...X-post, Fred. Your insulting tone to Tom now makes it seem like serious discussion with you is a waste of time. Why not apologize to Tom and get on with studying more? Why did you ask me to do the research that you can do all by yourself? Rhetorical question, I guess.Montedoro44https://www.blogger.com/profile/07449736136474398650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-82469667988782918332018-05-31T13:22:30.262-04:002018-05-31T13:22:30.262-04:00Fred, sura 65:4 and 33:49 appear to be the basis f...Fred, sura 65:4 and 33:49 appear to be the basis for marriage with, and divorce of premenarcheal girls. See:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skltEQguA1A<br /><br />for analysis that includes opinions from the tafsirs and other Muslim scholarship. Now, I used the word "bugger" -- maybe that's too colloquial. The Koran makes permissible marriage (and consummation) with young girls; combine that with allowing, favoring her parents forcing her in into marriage, so that she is forced to have sex against her will -- in Westspeak, we call that rape, child rape. You can find Muslim sources that explain that this setup is beneficial, including for the girl, certainly for the ummah.<br /><br />Presumably, the Koran and hadiths refer to Muslim girls here. The Brit "grooming" gangs are preying upon infidel girls, and the rules for what is permissible with them are different and even more antithetical to Western values, not the least because they are based on slavehood. <br /><br />BTW, I find that searching with Google lately does not generally turn up as much Muslim-source opinion on subjects that make Islamic doctrines appear to be antithetical to Western values. It looks like Google wants to guide our searches to comfortable multicultural types of source materials. It used to be easier to find these sources.<br /><br />In any case, if you research these subjects you will find lots of apologetics and denials among other opinions on the subject. You may align yourself with the opinions that you prefer to believe and reject the others, but it doesn't matter what you or I choose to believe is the real actual Truth. The facts are that Muslims are motivated by these verses and other traditional Islamic materials to behave accordingly, sharia courts uphold (or minimally punish) such behaviors, imams do not speak against them (no, not "all" maybe), and it is not up to us infidels to determine that these Muslims misunderstand their religion, but that we do.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Montedoro44https://www.blogger.com/profile/07449736136474398650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-54039519529318056622018-05-31T13:19:41.106-04:002018-05-31T13:19:41.106-04:00And Tom, since you agree completely with Montedoro...And Tom, since you agree completely with Montedoro, you must be able to answer the question:<br /><br />What is the exact part of the Koran that lets Muslims know it is ok to bugger children?<br /><br />You no longer have the cowardly anon excuse. Your only excuse now would involve your manhood.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-57115714351519266662018-05-31T12:19:45.559-04:002018-05-31T12:19:45.559-04:00From "The Guardian" on Tommy Robinson, e...From "The Guardian" on Tommy Robinson, etal<br /><br />He is no martyr to freedom of speech, just a career criminal with a history of mortgage fraud, football hooliganism and assault whose craving for publicity put a critical court case at risk.<br /><br />And here is the wider point: the obsessive tactical misuse of “free speech” by an ascendant far right. Roseanne Barr, a once celebrated US comedian, has had her primetime ABC show dropped because of a gratuitously racist tweet. “Alt-right” campaigners abound on social media screeching about yet another assault on freedom. But Barr remains entitled to spray her bigotry across social media, and to keep retweeting self-pitying justifications for her behaviour, and ABC is entitled not to give her a show. US far-right types such as Richard Spencer hold “free speech rallies”, while Yaxley-Lennon held a “day for freedom” in Britain. When Katie Hopkins was fired by a leading radio station, her far-right supporters again construed it as an attack on free speech.<br /><br />There is a chasm separating the right to free speech and the privilege of being given a platform to make your views known. No one has a right to a platform. If I offer you a megaphone, and then take it back off you, you can continue to say what you like, just not with my megaphone. The vast majority of people do not have regular TV slots, or newspaper columns, or radio shows – that does not mean their freedom of speech is under assault. <br /> <br />If student unions refuse to provide a platform to those they deem bigots, that is not an attack on freedom of speech. They are simply telling the bigots: you may have the legal right to say things we find offensive or even disgraceful, but that does not mean we are compelled to provide you with the advantage of amplifying such bigotry to our audience. It is striking that when the bigotry of a far-right figure is verbally challenged, their apologists will screech that freedom of speech is under attack. For the far right, “freedom of speech” means “the right to say hateful things without being challenged”.<br />The far right has always embraced the discourse of victimhood and persecution. Freedom of speech is precious indeed. Just don’t be deceived by a resurgent far right for which it is a rhetorical device to attack democracy, and nothing more.<br /><br />Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-47544095831321539112018-05-31T11:36:27.140-04:002018-05-31T11:36:27.140-04:00So Montedoro, what exact part of the Koran lets Mu...So Montedoro, what exact part of the Koran lets Muslims know it is ok to bugger children?Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-52119681044779490422018-05-31T11:35:43.185-04:002018-05-31T11:35:43.185-04:00Very well said, Montedoro. I agree completely.
Ca...Very well said, Montedoro. I agree completely.<br /><br />CaptDMO is welcome, even if I don't know who you really are. As long as you keep the same pseudonym you'll always be welcome. For that matter, I don't know who Montedoro is either, but I recognize a consistent style of thinking and writing.Tom McLaughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07691546351143209227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-24337191591977339732018-05-31T11:00:14.318-04:002018-05-31T11:00:14.318-04:00ooooo.....THAT kinda' worked!
Guess I no longe...ooooo.....THAT kinda' worked!<br />Guess I no longer need the anon "function". CaptDMOnoreply@blogger.com