tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post5153717705304678124..comments2024-02-14T11:00:03.180-05:00Comments on Tom McLaughlin: Too Late?Tom McLaughlinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07691546351143209227noreply@blogger.comBlogger127125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-22887425832218538152010-01-25T13:06:06.395-05:002010-01-25T13:06:06.395-05:00No, Dawn, it is YOU with no facts. THere are TONS...No, Dawn, it is YOU with no facts. THere are TONS of scientific facts against you. <br /><br />You have yet to give ONE bit of factual/scientific evidence in your claim that your god is real. <br /><br />None.<br /><br />Try it...just ONE fact. Give your best shot. What is the one biggest piece of PROOF that you have?<br /><br />All you have is blind faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-26283213008820171192010-01-25T10:45:38.435-05:002010-01-25T10:45:38.435-05:00So your answer is nothing but an attack with no fa...So your answer is nothing but an attack with no facts only opinion? <br /><br />So be it. I'll let you have the last word.DAWNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-72390182365258461432010-01-24T14:13:55.394-05:002010-01-24T14:13:55.394-05:00Sorry Dawn, you are deluded, uninformed or not bei...Sorry Dawn, you are deluded, uninformed or not being honest wheb you claim there is as much scientific evidence for creationism as evolution. There is 100 times as much evidence for evolution...you are either hiding from it or ignoring it. Scientists know how old bones are. What they know does NOT fit with the scriptures, pure and simple. You need to get your head out of the sand and stop being afraid of what you might discover if you take an honest, unbiased look at the scientific evidence. But you never will - you are a prisoner of your blind faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-89266921951780157012010-01-22T17:45:47.985-05:002010-01-22T17:45:47.985-05:00"I base my opinion on scientific evidence whi..."I base my opinion on scientific evidence which is HEAVILY on the side of evolution."<br /><br />but it's not Peter. One thing most people don't understand is that both sides have the SAME evidence. We just come to a diff conclusion BASED ON our biases. That's really it. <br /><br />We look at the evidence and say "ah ha! Look what God did." <br /><br />You look at the evidence and say "ah-ha look how nicely we evolved." <br /><br />The flat earth was NEVER a part of scripture. It says very clearly that the earth was a circle. I think Columbus and others knew this because they read it. Also just as the physical world revolves around the SUN so too does the things of the spirit revolve around the SON! <br /><br />So,some things that Science has come up with was already in scripture to begin with. I even think about the whole cloning thing going on today. Isn't that what God did with Adam and Eve when he took one rib and fashioned Eve from it?DAWNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-10184290935236501442010-01-21T19:14:11.509-05:002010-01-21T19:14:11.509-05:00Dawn, here is what you don't/can't underst...Dawn, here is what you don't/can't understand...our biases are FORMED by science. We don't go into examining scientific data WITH a bias...we GET our bias from what we see scientifically.<br /><br />We admit we are biased. Because of the scientific proof and evidence that we see our rational selves form a bias. So lets have a rational conversation...one based on what we know by fact and scientific proof and not one we base on blind faith.<br /><br />You may not see any USE for evolutionary theory, and maybe there isn't any. But that doesn't stop the facts from being what they are. I base my opinion on scientific evidence which is HEAVILY on the side of evolution.<br /><br />Bacteria? They evolve too. We hope our brains evolve fast enough to outsmart the "bad". You have to admit that our brains, and science, have evolved from the days of flat earth and sun revolving around the earth days....right?<br /><br />No hard feelings here either. And I too hope with all my heart that the truth does prevail.Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-65337106465607363142010-01-21T15:36:28.638-05:002010-01-21T15:36:28.638-05:00Anthony, I'm not arguing. I'm answering ...Anthony, I'm not arguing. I'm answering questions. That's it. <br /><br />You pretty much ignore what I write and ignore my questions in your quest to be heard. Your unadmitted bias is showing. <br /><br />You equate evolution with science and creationism with religion. Why? because you are biased towards one over the other. You can't have a rational discussion with someone who won't admit their biases.<br /><br />Gravity can be tested (true Science). I can drop a hammer from the top of a building and it will fall.. always fall. Evolution is very elusive (pseudo science). You can't just put some atoms in a test tube and generate life. They are not equal. <br /><br />Creationism is a model (or theory, or hypothesis, etc) that is used by some scientists to make predictions about the world. Yes, evolution is also a theory used to make predictions about the world. Who says that creation science is not useable? That is your opinion. Mine is the opposite. I don't see any use for evolutionary theory, but I see a whole lot of good in creation theory. <br /> <br /><br />Tell me, oh wise one, how evolution has been used to breed bacteria to produce insulin. Last I knew it was a hormone. Doctors found out that if you don't have it, bad things happen. That's not evolution. If anything that's devolution. which is a prediction made by the biblical creation theory: things were created perfect but this world system is breaking down over time until the return of Christ, at which time he will restore all things.<br /><br />Like I keep saying..truth will prevail. No hard feelings.DAWNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-71404144559765294452010-01-21T15:14:18.430-05:002010-01-21T15:14:18.430-05:00Sorry Dawn, but you're bad at arguing.
Everyt...Sorry Dawn, but you're bad at arguing.<br /><br />Everything I and the others have said regarding the origins of the universe and the Earth have been measured and have produced ACTUAL EVIDENCE.<br /><br />While your responses are "Hey, my book says you're wrong and has absolutely no evidence to back it up! It says that it is true therefore it is!"<br /><br />Two of every animal and Dino on earth on a cruise-liner equivalent?<br /><br />Childish.Anthony Tianinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-58722842080671836942010-01-21T15:12:06.406-05:002010-01-21T15:12:06.406-05:00PART 2
But here's the rub: Wise acknowledges...PART 2<br /><br /><br />But here's the rub: Wise acknowledges that nothing can convince him that Earth is older than five or six thousand years. Why? Because the Bible is his ultimate authority. "The most important thing," he says, "is that you ought to be able to trust your God and the claims the Bible makes." <br />Given their rock-solid religious convictions, creationists such as Wise ultimately are not interested in science, in setting aside preconceptions and following trails of observable evidence to logical, testable conclusions. <br />Why, then, are they bothering with fossils and geology and quasi-scientific exhibitions that purport to prove that the Bible "can be trusted," as the organizers of the Creation Museum phrase it? No doubt, concern for the public credibility of their faith has a lot to do with it. They appear to have accepted that we live in a rational age, one that will not abide propositions that lack objective evidence to back them.<br />How ironic, then, that by dabbling in science to promote their beliefs, anti-science creationists are more likely eroding the very credibility they aim to bolster. <br />How many Americans are ready to accept the proposition that science has made a colossal error interpreting the fossil and geological record and — more radical still — that the validity of Christianity depends on proving it? If anything, a stance like this repels those wavering between faith and disbelief and gives skeptics one more reason to reject religion. <br />A suggestion to creationists: Let science be science, and let religion prevail in the vast areas where science has little or nothing to offer. It's not as though science has an answer for everything of consequence. The purpose and meaning of life, the existence of good and evil and love and hate, the nature of a human soul and what becomes of it at death, the existence and will of the divine — these are questions that belong to ethics, philosophy and, of course, religion. <br />No, religion shouldn't be picking this particular fight with mainstream science. Can't the Bible literalists concede matters of empirical evidence and rational inquiry to science and devote themselves to the questions of ultimate meaning — the mighty questions that rightly occupy religion? Their religion doesn't need any scientific proof. Why should their own faithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-84547072006496020292010-01-21T15:11:42.290-05:002010-01-21T15:11:42.290-05:00Dawn, here is a very interesting article that came...Dawn, here is a very interesting article that came from USA Today. (in 2 parts) I am interested to hear your opinion on it.<br /><br />...begs a question that he and like-minded creationists might not want asked. If they're objectively wrong about the genesis of the Grand Canyon and other geologic matters — you'll be hard-pressed to find a mainstream scientist who says they aren't — must they concede that God does not exist? <br />That, of course, is a rhetorical question. No amount of scientific evidence will convince an ardent creationist of the validity of human evolution or that the Earth is billions of years old. <br />Nevertheless, the question frames a problem with the stance of the anti-science creationists that threatens not only their version of the world's origins, but also the credibility of their religion itself. Because by attempting to marshal empirical evidence in support of their beliefs, they enter the debate on the scientists' terms — terms that cannot possibly work in favor of a literal reading of the Bible. By playing in this arena, haven't the creationists already lost the argument? <br />As the evangelical writer and religion professor Randall Balmer points out, confronting the public with objective evidence of the Bible's literal truth is misguided at its core. Writing about intelligent design (a counter to evolution that sees an unidentified "designer" behind the world's creation), Balmer says, "Paradoxically, when the Religious Right asserts intelligent design is science, it implies that faith in God is … inadequate, that it needs the imprimatur of the scientific method."<br />To most people, it sounds like Wise is going "all in" with a losing hand. Do religious believers really want the truth of their faith wagered on an attempt to prove that countless scientists have somehow botched their reading of the fossil record? <br />?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-8176496962248696052010-01-21T14:46:42.477-05:002010-01-21T14:46:42.477-05:00What do I have? I have 99.9% of all scientists on...What do I have? I have 99.9% of all scientists on my side.<br /><br />I checked out the religious site about dinosaurs. Cute. It looked like it was made for children. Weird that an article on the age of dinosaurs never mentioned Radiometric dating. Or other techniques include analyzing amino acids and measuring changes in an object's magnetic field. Scientists have also made improvements to the standard radiometric measurements. For example, by using a laser, researchers can measure parent and daughter atoms in extremely small amounts of matter, making it possible to determine the age of very small samples.<br /><br />But all these facts don't jive with the bible so it must be pseudo-science, right?<br /><br />Your site also mentioned that "dinosaur blood cells" might have been found, but the subsequent chemical analysis did not demonstrate that red blood cells had been found, neither were they able to discover the presence of hemoglobin molecules. What they found was "heme," which is not a complete hemoglobin molecule, but a part of a broken down hemoglobin molecule, the part that the iron atom attaches to. There are four heme sites in each hemoglobin molecule where the iron attaches to the molecule. Heme is "an iron-porphyrin compound that occurs as a prosthetic group in hemoproteins."<br /><br />Bahhh, pseudo-science, again.<br /><br />Sorry, Dawn, but it is you that have nothing. Nothing but your blind faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-79753341796311355002010-01-21T14:08:18.039-05:002010-01-21T14:08:18.039-05:00BIG BANG
yep...Bang! God said it and it happened...BIG BANG<br /><br />yep...Bang! God said it and it happened. <br /><br />What do you have?DAWNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-55289598428898828732010-01-21T13:59:47.674-05:002010-01-21T13:59:47.674-05:00YOU can't figure out how those big planes fly,...YOU can't figure out how those big planes fly, but scientists CAN!<br /><br />Scientists CAN also say that the world is billions of years old, which puts the whole creationism thing to rest.<br /><br />The arc was that big? wow! How did Noah manage to build something like that?<br /><br />So you DO believe that dinosaurs existed at the same time as people??!!??<br /><br />And how many "credible" scientists back you on that notion?<br /><br />Sunk in the water when it comes to origins?<br /><br />You certainly are out of touch, Dawn. Two words:<br /><br />BIG BANGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-33974232010068482682010-01-21T13:57:44.675-05:002010-01-21T13:57:44.675-05:00As far as the reason why dinos went extinct from a...As far as the reason why dinos went extinct from a biblical POV here's a link to answer your question: <br /><br />http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/what-happened-to-the-dinosaurs<br /><br />keep in mind the word "dinosaur" was not even invented until 1841 so the fact that the word dinos are not mentioned in the bible is correct. But large sea monsters or dragons were mentioned in a few places giving us the idea that our modern word dinosaur is just another term for the large creatures mentioned in scripture.DAWNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-4112338468382091152010-01-21T13:47:36.445-05:002010-01-21T13:47:36.445-05:00"I don't know Dawn, it doesn't seem l..."I don't know Dawn, it doesn't seem like 2 people and all the inbreeding that must have ensued would really result in the multiple races in humankind."<br /><br />There are alot of things that don't "seem" right to us but happen scientifically. I still can't figure out how they get those monster planes to fly in the sky. <br /><br />"Why did Noah forget to put dinosaurs on the Arc? That IS why they went instinct, isn't it?"<br /><br />Who said he didn't? It said all the animals went on that ark two by two and some by sevens. Now it doesn't mean they were full grown does it? What if they were babies? Besides that, remember the average size of a dino was the size of a sheep. Some were birds, some were fish. We just tend to think of the gigantic ones they dig out of the earth. <br /><br />Do you have any idea the size of this ark? Think about the big Ocean Liners of today and you'll have an idea. Ever go on a cruise? How big was your boat? That will give you an idea how big this boat was.DAWNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-51889080425766086462010-01-21T13:41:11.690-05:002010-01-21T13:41:11.690-05:00"Now where did those black people come from? ..."Now where did those black people come from? No answer?"<br /><br />for crying out loud...you just asked this question and didn't even give me a chance to respond (which I did do). Pretty pushy if you ask me. <br /><br />Why is it you Anons ask me all these questions but hardly any of you answer mine? Are my questions to hard? <br /><br />Every worldview, no matter, has to answer these five basic fundamental questions. <br /><br /> 1) Where did life come from? (origins) <br /><br />2) What does it mean to be human? (identity) <br /><br />3) What is the purpose of life? (meaning) <br /><br />4) How should I live? (morality) <br /><br />5) What happens after I die? (mortality). <br /><br />The Evolutionary Theory is sunk in the water when it comes to the subject of origins because you CAN'T get something from nothing. That IS a Scientific fact and begins it all.DAWNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-56632058827473102022010-01-21T13:36:31.180-05:002010-01-21T13:36:31.180-05:00I don't know Dawn, it doesn't seem like 2 ...I don't know Dawn, it doesn't seem like 2 people and all the inbreeding that must have ensued would really result in the multiple races in humankind.<br /><br />Why did Noah forget to put dinosaurs on the Arc? That IS why they went instinct, isn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-72878098557879780072010-01-21T13:28:44.100-05:002010-01-21T13:28:44.100-05:00"Dawn, if it all started with Adam and Eve, w..."Dawn, if it all started with Adam and Eve, where did blacks and other races come from?"<br /><br />From Adam and Eve or more specifically Noah and his three sons named Shem, Ham and Japeth. <br /><br />If you read the accounting and geneologies in Genesis you'd see that the Hebrews came from Shem, the Blacks from Ham and the Europeans from Japeth going by where they settled down. <br /><br />Adam and Eve and later Noah coming from the Middle East (modern day Iraq) had skin color that would be considered middle brown tones. Adam and Eve must have had lots of genetic variation in their DNA. <br /><br />My whole family has brown eyes yet I have a grandson with bright blue eyes. How did that happen when both his parents did not have this color? Their DNA had this variation marker in it from a previous relative somewhere. <br /><br />Keep in mind that biblically speaking there is only one race, the human race. Interracial marriages were not forbidden by God only marriages between believers and unbelievers were forbidden.DAWNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-57551785677652493072010-01-21T13:24:21.072-05:002010-01-21T13:24:21.072-05:00What is the difference between "science"...What is the difference between "science" and "pseudo-science"? Easy - anything that Dawn does not believe is pseudo-science. Over 99% of scientists believe creationism is impossible - so? Must be pseudo-science.<br /><br />Now where did those black people come from? No answer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-11274741115474733972010-01-21T12:57:30.611-05:002010-01-21T12:57:30.611-05:00"The great thing about science is that scient..."The great thing about science is that scientific theories are not finite. We don't know it all so theories are always subject to change or slight modification in light of new evidence.?<br /><br />That's right. I agree with you here. While theories come and go, the Word of God endures. I have no problem with Science. The bible doesn't contradict true Science. It's the pseudo Science that I have a problem with. There's lots of that floating around. Whenever you have something genuine, I don't care what it is, there are also imitations that do follow. <br /><br />My son(a Scientist) was collaborating on a TBI (traumatic brain injury)case with an atheistic Scientist. They were discussing Ken Ham's new Creation Museum in KY and all the hoopla that surrounded it's grand opening a few years back. <br /><br />This atheist was commenting on what a bunch of idiots the creationists were not knowing my son was a devout believer in creation Science. The reason he didn't know is because my son (Ph.d) is very well respected in his field of Science and has been published in a few Scientific Journals. The thought being the more you know about Science the less you will of the Creation theory. <br /><br />Not the case. Now who's the idiot? Have you seen the movie "Expelled?" It was right on and I was told about all this way before Ben Stein took it to the big screen.DAWNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-28735026500094884272010-01-21T12:45:55.659-05:002010-01-21T12:45:55.659-05:00Dawn, if it all started with Adam and Eve, where d...Dawn, if it all started with Adam and Eve, where did blacks and other races come from?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-38993938320613848622010-01-21T12:44:47.895-05:002010-01-21T12:44:47.895-05:00But Anthony, Dawn KNOWS dinosaurs walked the earth...But Anthony, Dawn KNOWS dinosaurs walked the earth with humans...she saw it on the Flinstones!Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-26181193214438127502010-01-20T22:47:13.408-05:002010-01-20T22:47:13.408-05:00It is also my earnest hope that you don't actu...It is also my earnest hope that you don't actually believe that man and dinosaur walked the earth at the same time, as your logic suggest.Anthony Tianinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-38990462722885747922010-01-20T22:41:58.125-05:002010-01-20T22:41:58.125-05:00"How can it be disproved? Who was there to gi..."How can it be disproved? Who was there to give verification that it didn't happen as recorded in Genesis? The earth has been proven to be billions of years old? Really?"<br /><br />Faith cannot be disproven because it isn't science, and therefore cannot be measured. Just like I can't "prove" to you that Zeus and Thor don't exist.<br /><br />As far as the age of the universe goes, every scientific experiment and mathematical equation done comes to the same conclusion, that the visible universe is about 13.8 billion years old. If you look at the fossil and sedimentary record, it is also clear that the earth is probably 4.5 billion years old. <br /><br />The earth is in a constant state of evolution, the world is not static as creationists would have you believe. Plate tectonics constantly recycle the earths crust (which is why we have earthquakes). Mountains and canyons weren't always there, they are the result of a constantly shifting earth. Why is this data that is verifiable and has been verified a million times over unbelievable to you, but a book written by a bishop centuries ago is?<br /><br />Actually I know that answer, it's because you believe what you believe no matter what, and will cherry pick ANYTHING and twist ANYTHING to conform to your worldview.<br /><br />The great thing about science is that scientific theories are not finite. We don't know it all so theories are always subject to change or slight modification in light of new evidence.Anthony Tianinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-88974092889222904432010-01-20T18:48:31.733-05:002010-01-20T18:48:31.733-05:00"That leaves about 99.9% of all scientists be..."That leaves about 99.9% of all scientists believing that creationism has been disproved.(PROVED wrong, not thought wrong....the earth has been PROVEN to be billions of years old)." <br /><br />Creationism has been disproved? Really? By whom? Did you not read what I wrote? Where are you getting 99.9%? <br /><br />How can it be disproved? Who was there to give verification that it didn't happen as recorded in Genesis? The earth has been proven to be billions of years old? Really? <br /><br />Again, did you read what I wrote? <br /><br />"Still no evidence to support your belief in your god? I thought you claimed your faith was not blind."<br /><br />God's fingerprints are all over the place. Just open your eyes. The testimonies of millions of changed lives are also proof...including mine for one thing. <br /><br />I once was where you are. God has made himself very known to those who searched for him. I know he's as real as I know my three children are. Read some bios from former atheists who couldn't help but see God (like me) when they searched for him. How much soul searching have you done? Read "Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel which is all about the evidences out there, from history, archeology, science, ancient literature, eyewitness evidence, circumstantial, etc. <br /><br />Another evidence is the fact that the Jews are in their homeland today. Forget about just surviving after wandering the world with no country to call their own for 2,000years. This is huge evidence. They should have easily disappeared assimilating into other countries...but they did not. <br /><br />Because the bible is clear that they would survive intact no matter because God has a place and purpose for them. Consider that and then go back and read about all the other ancients who never made it. And this was all written down by God for our benefit thru man way before 1948. <br /><br />I collect biblical commentaries from way back (1500-1800's) and in many of them they speak about the Jews having to come into their own homeland for the end time prophecies to take place. It seemed like an impossibility when they wrote, but trusting in the scriptures they saw it, writing it down but never seeing it in their own time. <br /><br />From the world's POV that was NEVER going to happen. I've read articles in the early 1900's that were very much against any Jewish homeland. It was NOT even a remote possibility. Nobody was in favor but a few zionists. "With God all things are possible." <br /><br />Harry Truman unexpectedly (imagine that) changed his vote just before the big UN vote allowing the Jews to locate in their homeland after WWII. His secretary of State, George Marshall was not happy nor were many others but because of Truman's influence the UN voted unexpectedly in favor of the Jews. But it was God's plan and just one of the many evidences out there that there is a God in control. <br /><br />The miracles that led to them coming into their own country in 1948 is nothing short than amazing if you knew the whole story that goes way back to 70 A.D. <br /><br />All you had to do was go back to scripture written 2,000 years before and I could have told you this was going to happen before it did like the commentaries tell us today. In fact, I can tell you other things that are on the horizon before they will come to pass..maybe even in our own time. <br /><br />But in the end it really doesn't mater anyhow. Because no evidence will be enough to convince you until God opens your eyes to it. That's how it is for all of us. <br /><br />Keep scorning God with a closed fist to heaven and you'll never really know the truth on this side of eternity. But you will eventually because the truth always prevails.DAWNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20524196.post-68960954375234113322010-01-20T17:04:27.099-05:002010-01-20T17:04:27.099-05:000.000156 % of all green eyed scientists named Conr...0.000156 % of all green eyed scientists named Conrad that have ever visited Sweden believe in Flying Spaghetti Monsters.<br /><br />Therefore their existance is in dispute scientifically, so I believe in them. Why not? It's fun believing!Peternoreply@blogger.com